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to let you get in, karen, but every time we have this big sort of thing happen like aurora or jovan belcher, whatever. >> virginia tech. >> we could go on and on. we say now is not the time. that is the gun rights group saying let's tamp this down because this is our worst moment, this is our worst fear of the irresponsible gun owner using it in the wrong way. that is exactly the time to say we must do something. >> okay. karen? >> i would just say it is, and that is true, but let's not disconnect that from this issue of domestic violence and assault on women and the republicans in congress who essentially are sending a message that says it's okay to beat up certain kinds of women. native american women, women who are in this country illegally. they don't like some of the particulars in this legislation that addresses real problems. toure, as i have heard you talk about this earlier this week, i agree with the gun control piece, but i think we do a disservice to our culture and our society when we don't see that all of this is connected. >> michelle, you have the last word. >> well, i think
to let you get in, karen, but every time we have this big sort of thing happen like aurora or jovan belcher, whatever. >> virginia tech. >> we could go on and on. we say now is not the time. that is the gun rights group saying let's tamp this down because this is our worst moment, this is our worst fear of the irresponsible gun owner using it in the wrong way. that is exactly the time to say we must do something. >> okay. karen? >> i would just say it is, and that is...
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her boyfriend kansas chief players, remembered her boyfriend, jovan belcher. news about their little girl. that's coming up. who thinks two is better than one? so all of you do. yes, for sure. now what's better? being able to shoot two lasers out of both of your eyes at the same time or just one laser out of one eye? [ all kids ] two! [ moderator ] okay, why? if it's just one beam -- okay, it does a little bit of damage. two beams -- it will make something explode! and that's more fun? yeah! and it's more powerful you're saying? yeah! [ male announcer ] it's not complicated. doing two things at once is better. and only at&t's network lets you talk and surf on your iphone 5. ♪ i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call and find out about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedheal
her boyfriend kansas chief players, remembered her boyfriend, jovan belcher. news about their little girl. that's coming up. who thinks two is better than one? so all of you do. yes, for sure. now what's better? being able to shoot two lasers out of both of your eyes at the same time or just one laser out of one eye? [ all kids ] two! [ moderator ] okay, why? if it's just one beam -- okay, it does a little bit of damage. two beams -- it will make something explode! and that's more fun? yeah!...
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jovan belcher's murder/suicide led to another controversy for the nfl this year. the league that has dealt with deaths of current and former players, concussions, high profile lawsuit and bounties. the question on sunday, should the chiefs have played the game with carolina just a day after belcher and kasandra perkins' deaths. that's just one topic that nfl commissioner roger goodell addresses in this issue of "time" magazine. the senior editor wrote the piece and joins us now. welcome. >> good morning, carol. >> so what did the commissioner tell you about belcher and the decision to play the game on sunday? >> yeah. you know, his reaction was -- he was stunned. he gets a phone call from his director of security and hearing the details and he can't believe what he's hearing. he starts to hit the phones and he knew that there was pressure not to play the game and there were thoughts on that side. you know, he reached out to the chairman of the chiefs and told them to please seek feedback from the players. he basically deferred to the players. the feedback he was g
jovan belcher's murder/suicide led to another controversy for the nfl this year. the league that has dealt with deaths of current and former players, concussions, high profile lawsuit and bounties. the question on sunday, should the chiefs have played the game with carolina just a day after belcher and kasandra perkins' deaths. that's just one topic that nfl commissioner roger goodell addresses in this issue of "time" magazine. the senior editor wrote the piece and joins us now....
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the nfl steps in with a million dollars for jovan belcher's orphan daughter and high resolution images of your planet earth from space. the new technology uses filtering techniques that allows the images such as city lights, gas flares, auroras, wildfires and reflecting moonlight to be seen by the naked eye. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib: atrial fibrillation not caused by a heart valve problem, a condition that puts him at greater risk for a stroke. [ gps ] turn left. i don't think so. [ male announcer ] for years, bob took warfarin, and made a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but not anymore. bob's doctor recommended a different option: once-a-day xarelto®. xarelto® is the first and only once-a-day prescription blood thinner for patients with afib not caused by a heart valve problem, t
the nfl steps in with a million dollars for jovan belcher's orphan daughter and high resolution images of your planet earth from space. the new technology uses filtering techniques that allows the images such as city lights, gas flares, auroras, wildfires and reflecting moonlight to be seen by the naked eye. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who...
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. >>> the nfl steps up with $1 million for jovan belcher's daughter. >>> high res images from space. it allows images of city lights, gas flares, aur rar ras, to be seen by the naked eye. >>> stories making news across america on this thursday. in washington state, a 35 year relationship was officially legitimized. as the clock struck 12:00 out west, they became the first same sex couple to receive a marriage license in the evergreen state, a fitting honor for the couple who was featured in the ad campaign to legalize same-sex marriage. >>> newark, new jersey, mayor co cory booker is gearing up for a food stamp diet. he will be living on $30 worth of food stamps for the week. the mayor took on the challenge after getting into a debate with one of his twitter followers. >>> north of the border a few military vets suited up for team u.s.a. despite their inspiring stories of lost limbs and sacrifice, team canada beat the americans 2-1. however, team u.s.a. earned enough wins for a spot in the semifinals. >>> sports, tipoff in the nba, bobcats and nicks, with three seconds left new york'
. >>> the nfl steps up with $1 million for jovan belcher's daughter. >>> high res images from space. it allows images of city lights, gas flares, aur rar ras, to be seen by the naked eye. >>> stories making news across america on this thursday. in washington state, a 35 year relationship was officially legitimized. as the clock struck 12:00 out west, they became the first same sex couple to receive a marriage license in the evergreen state, a fitting honor for the...
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. >>> the nfl steps in for jovan belcher's 4 month old daughter. plus high resolution images from space. it uses techniques that allows the images such as city laws, aur rar ras, wildfires, and moonlight be seen by the naked eye. >>> stories making news across america on this thursday. in washington state, a 35-year-old relationship was officially legitimized a short time ago as the clock struck 12:00 out west. they became the first same sex couple to receive a marriage license in the evergreen state, a fitting honor for the couple who was featured in the ad campaign to legalize same-sex marriage. >>> newark new jersey mayor core rebooker is gearing up for his food stamp challenge. he will be on a steady diet of beans and vegetables and whatever else he can afford living on $35 of food stamps. he took on the challenge after getting into a debate with one of his twitter followers. >>> north of the border they suited up for the sled hockey. team u.s.a. earned enough wins for a spot in the semifinals. >>> sports, tipoff in the nba, bobcats, nicks. thr
. >>> the nfl steps in for jovan belcher's 4 month old daughter. plus high resolution images from space. it uses techniques that allows the images such as city laws, aur rar ras, wildfires, and moonlight be seen by the naked eye. >>> stories making news across america on this thursday. in washington state, a 35-year-old relationship was officially legitimized a short time ago as the clock struck 12:00 out west. they became the first same sex couple to receive a marriage...
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it's what was troubling jovan belcher. >> dana: glad you brought that up. on the same day that jovan belcher committed this crime, there was a man who beat his wife with a baseball bat. and killed her. he wasn't a profootball player. he doesn't drive a bentley. didn't make millions of dollars. on the same day. talking about the gun culture issue is a cop out. it's not the real issue about mental health, anger management and domestic violence. >> bob: is there a real issue that somebody you said had a long history of mental disturbances, alcoholism and domestic abuse he could be allowed to buy guns legally and freely? >> kimberly: he applied for a permit and he was able to have a weapon. that is his legal, lawful right. >> bob: even if he is a -- >> kimberly: hold on. depending on what kind -- they don't keep people that you think you have too many drinks or not from buying weapons. that is not one of the criteria. >> eric: same guy, doesn't get a gun because you want to ban handguns or whatever, same guy is in a car and that is okay? same guy. >> bob: can y
it's what was troubling jovan belcher. >> dana: glad you brought that up. on the same day that jovan belcher committed this crime, there was a man who beat his wife with a baseball bat. and killed her. he wasn't a profootball player. he doesn't drive a bentley. didn't make millions of dollars. on the same day. talking about the gun culture issue is a cop out. it's not the real issue about mental health, anger management and domestic violence. >> bob: is there a real issue that...
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listen as belcher's mother is in hysterics. >> she is still breathing. please hurry. >> she's been shot? >> yes. >> right now is she awake? >> kasandra stay with me. do you hear me? stay with me. >> so sad. a police officer later gets on the phone and tries to get information about belcher from his mother. >>> 27-year-old actor frankie munoz says he's happy to be alive after suffering a mini-stroke last week. he said he was riding his motorcycle in phoenix when he lost vision in one eye. and he felt his body go numb. he should be okay. wolf? still surprising. 27 years old, very puzzling. >> he's lucky to be alive, riding a motorcycle, has a stroke. thank was riding a motorcycle when he had the stroke. >>> one state is about to legalize marijuana smoking, but what could it mean for federal drug laws?♪ ou make me happy when skies are gray ♪ [ female announcer ] you know exactly what it takes to make them feel better. ♪ you make me happy [ female announcer ] that's why you choose children's tylenol. the same brand your mom trusted for you when you wer
listen as belcher's mother is in hysterics. >> she is still breathing. please hurry. >> she's been shot? >> yes. >> right now is she awake? >> kasandra stay with me. do you hear me? stay with me. >> so sad. a police officer later gets on the phone and tries to get information about belcher from his mother. >>> 27-year-old actor frankie munoz says he's happy to be alive after suffering a mini-stroke last week. he said he was riding his motorcycle in...
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in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows but here is what i believe. if jovan belcher did not possess a gun he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> some critics saying costas picked the wrong time and place and others blast him for trying to take away their second amendment rights. now the blogs are light iing up with calls for him to be fired. quote, nbc should show bob costas the door. then there's this facebook page. fire bob costas for his unamerican comments on gun control. hln sports reporter joe carter is here to talk about all of this. what did he say in his own defense? >> i found several fire bob costas facebook pages with lots of likes. he went on the shows yesterday morning and defended himself and said that he did admit he made a mistake, that he used wrong forum to take on such a heavy-handed topic, that he should have listened to his own rule which is when you take on a topic as politically charged as gun control, leave yourself enough time to fully flush out that topic. and as we know
in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows but here is what i believe. if jovan belcher did not possess a gun he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> some critics saying costas picked the wrong time and place and others blast him for trying to take away their second amendment rights. now the blogs are light iing up with calls for him to be fired. quote, nbc should show bob costas the door. then there's this...
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>>> new details in the murder/suicide involving kansas city chiefs player jovan belcher. what the 911 tapes reveal about the final moments of this slain girlfriend. >> a lot to talk about this morning over our next two hours. we will be talking with stephanie cutter, the former companisy campaign manager of president obama's re-election campaign. howard kurtz the host of "cnn's reliable sources" lauren ashburn, republican from texas, congressman jeb hensarling with us, randy weingarten, president of the american federation of teachers. all guests this morning. wednesday, december 5th, and "starting point" begins right now. >>> our "starting point" this morning, president obama putting his foot down. he says no tax hikes for the wealthy, no deal. america hits that fiscal cliff in 27 days and that means tax hikes and deep spending cuts if the democrats and the republicans can't come together in some kind of a deal and with just ten days remaining until congress is scheduled to go home for the holidays, the clock ticking. here's what he told bloomberg news. listen. >> we're
>>> new details in the murder/suicide involving kansas city chiefs player jovan belcher. what the 911 tapes reveal about the final moments of this slain girlfriend. >> a lot to talk about this morning over our next two hours. we will be talking with stephanie cutter, the former companisy campaign manager of president obama's re-election campaign. howard kurtz the host of "cnn's reliable sources" lauren ashburn, republican from texas, congressman jeb hensarling with us,...
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the javon belcher story is extremely political. the idea we don't talk about it that's a political choice when you choose to decontext annualize something that was such a horrible tragedy. >> you are the best best @edgeofsports. dave, twice in one week, how blessed we are. >> i am a big fan of meredith's work. >> thank you. the feeling is mutual. >> bill: there you go. okay. dave zirin from "the nation," whom we have adopted. it's a great deal. " all right. full "the full court press" on this wednesday, december 5th. stay with us. >> this is "the bill press show." [ music ] unleashed. joy behar. >> on my next show, dr. ruth answers all your questions about sex. i mean the ones you can say on tv of course, on say anything. smiles make more smiles. when the chocolate is hershey's. life is delicious. [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet but they're gonna fall in love get married, have a couple of kids, [ children laughing ] move to the country, and live a long, happy life together where they almost nev
the javon belcher story is extremely political. the idea we don't talk about it that's a political choice when you choose to decontext annualize something that was such a horrible tragedy. >> you are the best best @edgeofsports. dave, twice in one week, how blessed we are. >> i am a big fan of meredith's work. >> thank you. the feeling is mutual. >> bill: there you go. okay. dave zirin from "the nation," whom we have adopted. it's a great deal. " all...
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. >> brian: disturbing new details more thanking in the murder-suicide involving jovan belcher. police say belcher actually kissed the forehead of cassandra perkins after shooting her nine times and apologized to his mother when was in the room for carrying out the horrific crime. and that's the latest on that story. >>> let's move on to something else. he's the head of the class of this year. 23-year-old rory mcilroy named player of the year in 2012. he had four wins including the pga championship. he's the youngest winner since tiger woods did it in 1997. >> steve: it's a custody battle that's going to make your blood boil. a good father and u.s. soldier loses his little girl to an estranged wife with a rap sheet. can he make a case to get her back? heather joins us here on the curvy couch with a little discussion about what's going on. >> good morning to you. this is going before the u.s. supreme court later today to hear oral arguments. the outcome of this is likely to set precedent over basically how u.s. courts handle jurisdiction over u.s. american citizens who have a chi
. >> brian: disturbing new details more thanking in the murder-suicide involving jovan belcher. police say belcher actually kissed the forehead of cassandra perkins after shooting her nine times and apologized to his mother when was in the room for carrying out the horrific crime. and that's the latest on that story. >>> let's move on to something else. he's the head of the class of this year. 23-year-old rory mcilroy named player of the year in 2012. he had four wins including...
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plus we have the 911 tapes and the alleged murder/suicide involving kansas city chiefs play er javon belcher. >>> and there's no plan to keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. broken record, broken record. i'm christine romans in today for john berman. >> and i'm zoraida sambolin. >>> up first, president obama standing his ground over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans cannot come together on a deal. by the way, congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. slash that number. in an interview with bloomberg news, the president made it crystal clear he's not about to blink on the issue of tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> white house correspondent dan lothian joins us live from washington this morning. very nice to see you, dan. >> good to see you. >> here's the deal. we have republicans pitted against democrats. now we understand there are issues amongst republicans as well. >> th
plus we have the 911 tapes and the alleged murder/suicide involving kansas city chiefs play er javon belcher. >>> and there's no plan to keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. broken record, broken record. i'm christine romans in today for john berman. >> and i'm zoraida sambolin. >>> up first, president obama standing his ground over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans...
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belcher drove miss glass home, dropped her off and passed out in misbentley. 2:50 a.m., cops woke belcher up and told him not to drive. he called glass apt spent the next four hours in her apartment. at 6:45 a.m., he drove the bentley to his home where girlfriend perkins recently arrived with her own night out with friends. argument ensued and belcher shot perkins nine times. belcher's mother and baby were there for the shooting. after killing perkins, belcher kissed the lifeless body, walk toed his mother, kissed his baby girl and left. he drove five miles to the chiefs' practice field after several minutes of pleading with him, they couldn't talk belcher off the ledge. belcher thanked the coaches, knelt down beside a car, made a sign of a cross and put a shot to his fare hoed ending his life -- fairhead ending his life. serve trying to make this about their issue. nbc and bob costas used the tragedy to promote gun control. remember this? >> in the coming days, jovan belcher's actions and the possible connection to football will be analyzed. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkin
belcher drove miss glass home, dropped her off and passed out in misbentley. 2:50 a.m., cops woke belcher up and told him not to drive. he called glass apt spent the next four hours in her apartment. at 6:45 a.m., he drove the bentley to his home where girlfriend perkins recently arrived with her own night out with friends. argument ensued and belcher shot perkins nine times. belcher's mother and baby were there for the shooting. after killing perkins, belcher kissed the lifeless body, walk...
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no one is saying that belcher is not responsible. in fact, earlier in the day, in that i was appalled by the way some of this had been covered initially by some of the sports networks where they made it seal like there were two victims. that kasandra perkins was victim one and javon butler was victim two. no. the person who committed suicide first committed a murder and he is responsible for that. however, the ready easy availability of guns, could he have strangled her or stabbed her? of course he could have. but the easy availability of guns makes this sort of thing far more likely to occur. if somebody points out that the country has a problem with nutrition and obesity, that doesn't mean they want to ban fast food. but they are you aware of some of the dangers and hoping to moderate people's behavior. if nothing else, even if some people disagree with me or misinterpret what i said. if it started a conversation on this, then i think that's a good thing. >> it is my honor that you joined us tonight with your first television inter
no one is saying that belcher is not responsible. in fact, earlier in the day, in that i was appalled by the way some of this had been covered initially by some of the sports networks where they made it seal like there were two victims. that kasandra perkins was victim one and javon butler was victim two. no. the person who committed suicide first committed a murder and he is responsible for that. however, the ready easy availability of guns, could he have strangled her or stabbed her? of...
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jovan belcher shot the mother of his daughter at their home early in the morning and today we learned that he and the mother of of his daughter had gone out separately the night before and then had argued about it just before jovan belcher shot and killed her. police also say after shooting her, he apologized and kiss herd on the head. he then drove to arrowhead stadium where he committed suicide. >>> coming up, we're on storm watch once again as a new system makes its way to the bay area. >> the threat to areas still reeling from the massive storm this past weekend. >> the real estate market heats up for sale signs are becoming less common. what that means for buyers and sellers. [ laughter ] [ girl ] wow, you guys have it easy. i wish i had u-verse when i was your age. in my day, we didn't have these fancy wireless receivers. blah blah blah. if i had a sleepover, i couldn't just move the tv into the playroom. no. we had to watch movies in the den because that's where the tv outlet was. and if dad was snoring on the couch, we muscled through it. is she for real? your generation has i
jovan belcher shot the mother of his daughter at their home early in the morning and today we learned that he and the mother of of his daughter had gone out separately the night before and then had argued about it just before jovan belcher shot and killed her. police also say after shooting her, he apologized and kiss herd on the head. he then drove to arrowhead stadium where he committed suicide. >>> coming up, we're on storm watch once again as a new system makes its way to the bay...
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well, rush has got a different theory on what happened to lee von belcher. >> can we talk about the damage that decades of liberalism have done to the american family, particularly minority families, but it's nevertheless, there is a social dissent allegation taking place in way too many parts of this country and there are reasons why it is happening. this deterioration and cultural rot is often glorified. >> cenk: rush limbaugh, married four different times. divorced three times. yeah it's the liberal's fault. by the way, also if you noticed he mentioned oh, minorities. he later went on to say if i told you wha
well, rush has got a different theory on what happened to lee von belcher. >> can we talk about the damage that decades of liberalism have done to the american family, particularly minority families, but it's nevertheless, there is a social dissent allegation taking place in way too many parts of this country and there are reasons why it is happening. this deterioration and cultural rot is often glorified. >> cenk: rush limbaugh, married four different times. divorced three times....
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belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know.l i know is that it the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances. it's not good. >> dana: an degreia, i'm a believer in the institution of marriage to solidify families and root you in a grounded, make it possibly tradition and hopefully be prosperous in the future. there is a lot, there are many babies born out of wedlock. all across america. and all races. in particular, in african-american families and growing in hispanic and white families as well. do you think it has anything do with how people end up committing crimes like this? and not able to deal with the success he earned? >> andrea: i think there is a family element to certain things. maybe the way he was raised or how he wasn't raised. maybe he wasn't taught right from wrong. i have a hard time buying this. this is a total argument. a but-for argument. but for the family he would haven't don
belcher and his girlfriend? i don't know.l i know is that it the statistics from single parenthood and children out of wedlock and what happens to kids in those circumstances, what happens to the fathers in those circumstances. it's not good. >> dana: an degreia, i'm a believer in the institution of marriage to solidify families and root you in a grounded, make it possibly tradition and hopefully be prosperous in the future. there is a lot, there are many babies born out of wedlock. all...
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we have confirmed, now, that jovan belcher use the one gun to kill his girlfriend and another gun to kill himself. as you said earlier we have finally confirmed that he did, in fact, shoot kasandra perkins nine times before going to the stadium and shooting himself. >>shepard: thank yous -- thank you, trace. and agencies are reporting that the head coach of the badgers in wisconsin has been stolen away by the university of arkansas is going to arkansas to fill that series of weird vacancies they were dealing with in arkansas, leaving wisconsin badgers and going to arkansas. >> identity thieves could be trying to get their hands on your tabs return, a sharp increase in the number of scanners filing fraudulent returns. science and technology editor is with us now. it looks like they have stolen tens of thousands of people's refunds. >>guest: potentially billions. part of the problem, is identifying that there is a problem. the i.r.s. says they do not know the extent of the problem and it is hard if them to track and identify that something like this is happening. >>shepard: explain wha
we have confirmed, now, that jovan belcher use the one gun to kill his girlfriend and another gun to kill himself. as you said earlier we have finally confirmed that he did, in fact, shoot kasandra perkins nine times before going to the stadium and shooting himself. >>shepard: thank yous -- thank you, trace. and agencies are reporting that the head coach of the badgers in wisconsin has been stolen away by the university of arkansas is going to arkansas to fill that series of weird...
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we have disturbing new details in the murder-suicide case of nfl player jovan belcher. police tell "the kansas city star" that belcher's mother saw him kiss his girlfriend on the forehead saying he was sorry. seconds after he shot her on saturday. he also kissed his baby daughter and apologized to his own mother. >> kansas city police say belcher legally owned the handgun that he used to kill kasandra perkins and then himself there. are no official numbers, but some players and coaches say 50% to 90% of nfl players own guns. jim axelrod looks at why athletes and firearms go together so often. >> i'm 21 years old, i have a lot of money in one pocket and a gun in the other pocket and i'm saying please leave me alone. >> reporter: this is former pro football player marcellus wiley, a gun control advocate speaking three years ago at the brady center about why he used to carry a gun. >> i remember taking the same gun to the nightclubs, to the restaurants where i would go eat. not to be a villain, but just really in a warped sense of mind, an identity trying to protect myself
we have disturbing new details in the murder-suicide case of nfl player jovan belcher. police tell "the kansas city star" that belcher's mother saw him kiss his girlfriend on the forehead saying he was sorry. seconds after he shot her on saturday. he also kissed his baby daughter and apologized to his own mother. >> kansas city police say belcher legally owned the handgun that he used to kill kasandra perkins and then himself there. are no official numbers, but some players and...
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new details about the final hours of jovan belcher apartments life. he spent the night with another woman before going home in the morning fighting with his girlfriend, cassandra perkins and shooting her repeatedly. many people report he was drunk the night before and spent the night at the home of another woman. dr. keith ablow is here. take us through the details. he fell asleep in his car outside the home of another woman, woken by the police inside the car, went inside the building, spent the night there and then in the morning he went home. when he went home is when all this happened. put it together. >> there is a little girl with no parents, there has been a murder and suicide. now comes the task of trying to explain what might seem to be the inexplicable. what we do know seemingly is there a long tphaoeuft drink involved, perhaps there is another woman involved. what we do know is that this fellow has a history of violent altercations with women. back in 2006 and 2007 one involved breaking a window, nearly severing his thumb and cutting his wr
new details about the final hours of jovan belcher apartments life. he spent the night with another woman before going home in the morning fighting with his girlfriend, cassandra perkins and shooting her repeatedly. many people report he was drunk the night before and spent the night at the home of another woman. dr. keith ablow is here. take us through the details. he fell asleep in his car outside the home of another woman, woken by the police inside the car, went inside the building, spent...
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saturday was not the person who jovan belcher was. he was incredibly passionate, loving individual. he enjoyed everything he did. i'll always remember him with a smile on his face. he had a huge smile, great smile, infectious smile. excuse me. that's the picture that i have of him. he cared. he loved, had such a big heart. loved so many people. and the feeling was mutual. he was loved by so many. it's an incredible tragedy and very difficult to come to grips with. >> it's difficult for many people to come to grips with. because everybody says oh, there was no history of domestic violence in his past. but there are reports out there that he did have one experience while he was at maine. do you know about that? where he became so angry, he put his fist through a wall or glass window? >> he -- there was an incident with -- where he did put his fist through a window. to me it was our freshman year. he was 18 or 19 years old. i always credited that to an immature decision, a decision that i actually have another friend who has done the sam
saturday was not the person who jovan belcher was. he was incredibly passionate, loving individual. he enjoyed everything he did. i'll always remember him with a smile on his face. he had a huge smile, great smile, infectious smile. excuse me. that's the picture that i have of him. he cared. he loved, had such a big heart. loved so many people. and the feeling was mutual. he was loved by so many. it's an incredible tragedy and very difficult to come to grips with. >> it's difficult for...
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the "new york post" says chief linebacker jovan belcher was playing the field, so to speak. and spent the night at another woman's apartment friday night. in the morning, he returned home where he murdered his girlfriend and then turned the gun on himself in front of his coaches. >>> there is a new report that belcher was violent in the past. in 2006, he punched his fist through a window because he was upset with a girl. maybe this whole thing has nothing to do with guns. maybe it was domestic violence. they were portrayed in the book and movie "in cold blood". investigators in florida are trying to figure out if the two men convicted of murdering the clutter family in kansas in 1959 killed another family. dick hickcock and perry smith are suspected of killing the walker family. authorities are hoping to exhume their bodies to test the dna evidence. >>> lawyers for george zimmerman releasing this new photo that they say was taken the night that trayvon martin was shot and killed. you remember this story. the picture now shows zimmerman with a bloody nose. he claims he pulled
the "new york post" says chief linebacker jovan belcher was playing the field, so to speak. and spent the night at another woman's apartment friday night. in the morning, he returned home where he murdered his girlfriend and then turned the gun on himself in front of his coaches. >>> there is a new report that belcher was violent in the past. in 2006, he punched his fist through a window because he was upset with a girl. maybe this whole thing has nothing to do with guns....
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same thing with this murder suicide, jason belcher -- javon belcher. right, murder, suicide tragic case. but you can talk about again any aspect of it. were there head injuries involved you know, was she out partying, got home too late. did he crack? were there any signs? but you cannot mention the gun right? you cannot -- according to nra it is never never never never, never okay to mention. virginia tech, you can't mention there was a gun involved. it is ridiculous. the nra is so much powerful. clearly the most powerful lobbying. >> with the republican party. >> bill: they own the republican party. 1-866-55-press. covering the waterfront here with think progress and igor volsky here on the "full court press" this morning. join the conversation at -- commenting on anything we've been talking about at 1-866-55-press. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. come away armed with facts and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the d
same thing with this murder suicide, jason belcher -- javon belcher. right, murder, suicide tragic case. but you can talk about again any aspect of it. were there head injuries involved you know, was she out partying, got home too late. did he crack? were there any signs? but you cannot mention the gun right? you cannot -- according to nra it is never never never never, never okay to mention. virginia tech, you can't mention there was a gun involved. it is ridiculous. the nra is so much...
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. >>> new this morning, was there another woman involved in the murder-suicide of the chief's jovan belcher? and the u.s. reacts to israel's plans to build and expand settlements. you're watching "first look" on msnbc. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. flavor, meet food. it's time for swanson flavor boost. concentrated broth in easy to use packets. mix it into skillet dishes, for an instant dose of... hell-o! [ female announcer ] get recipes at flavorboost.com. >>> the flu season has already kicked in with a vengeance for some. cases are arriving in five southern states and doctors are urging people to get flu shots. >>> the palestinian envoy to the united nations is condemning israel for plans for new settlements. and the united states says the construction would be damaging to prospect of renewed peace tal
. >>> new this morning, was there another woman involved in the murder-suicide of the chief's jovan belcher? and the u.s. reacts to israel's plans to build and expand settlements. you're watching "first look" on msnbc. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do...
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. >>> the family of jovan belcher is speaking publically for the first time since he fatally shot his girl friend and killed himself. belcher's sister and uncle stood by his aunt as she spoke outside the home where the football star lived with 22-year-old kasandra perkins and their 3-month-old daughter. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of javon and pray those memory also bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life and the life of kasandra perkins. >> kansas city police confirm that the gun used by belcher was purchased legally. belcher's mother has been given temporary custody of the couple's daughter, zoe. >> a picture of suspect george zimmerman released by his attorney reportedly taken by a police officer the night zimmerman shot and killed martin. the bloody picture itself is not new, but the fact it's a high resolution color photo is. zimmerman's attorney says it gives the case more context. >> is it devastating? no. but it's just one piece of evidence that shows what george was going through that night and why he re
. >>> the family of jovan belcher is speaking publically for the first time since he fatally shot his girl friend and killed himself. belcher's sister and uncle stood by his aunt as she spoke outside the home where the football star lived with 22-year-old kasandra perkins and their 3-month-old daughter. >> we will cherish the wonderful memories we have of javon and pray those memory also bring us peace as we grapple to understand the unpredictable and tragic ending of his life...
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. >>> also this half hour, the latest on the jovan belcher tragedy. the people closest to the nfl linebacker and the girlfriend he killed are speaking out now about the shocking murder suicide. we are also going to talk about a report that came in, "the new york post"over night, that gave details to what he was doing hours before the murder. very, very interesting. >>> later this half hour, magic man, our polkameister, sitting down with penn jillette to talk about harry houdini, magic, and familia. >>> kate middleton spending a second day in the london hospital and prince william has been at his pregnant wife's side as she is treated for severe morning sickness. >> the palace ended speculation about the duchess yesterday, confirming she is expecting. abc's nick schifrin joining us live from london. good morning, nick. >> reporter: good morning, paula. good morning, rob. what an exciting morning it is here. kates had her belly stared at, her every action scrutinized since the wedding, and now all of those people who have been incorrectly guessing she w
. >>> also this half hour, the latest on the jovan belcher tragedy. the people closest to the nfl linebacker and the girlfriend he killed are speaking out now about the shocking murder suicide. we are also going to talk about a report that came in, "the new york post"over night, that gave details to what he was doing hours before the murder. very, very interesting. >>> later this half hour, magic man, our polkameister, sitting down with penn jillette to talk about...
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there were knives and he got away with it. >> belcher was a rich football player. if you ban handguns with anybody, if he wants to kill somebody with a gun he will get one. >> that's a good point. bill, what is costas' solution for this? if this football player didn't have a gun they would be alive. what is he suggesting? what kind of ban would you do to prevent -- is it no wealthy aggressive football players can have guns? he is calling for a total gun ban. >> no aggressive football players. only the kickers. those are the only ones allowed to have them. >> that's true. they drink a lot i think. >> i like costas, but this was neither the time nor the place. they have to understand something, political statements are not for them. they are for the fans. the fans are the only ones eloquent enough to say stuff. the fan with the sign that says "kill all refs" and the fan with the cape and nothing but a cape holding up the" january 3:-- "john 3:16" and they can make comments because they paid a lot of money to be there. >> someone compared the nra to the kkk. >> come o
there were knives and he got away with it. >> belcher was a rich football player. if you ban handguns with anybody, if he wants to kill somebody with a gun he will get one. >> that's a good point. bill, what is costas' solution for this? if this football player didn't have a gun they would be alive. what is he suggesting? what kind of ban would you do to prevent -- is it no wealthy aggressive football players can have guns? he is calling for a total gun ban. >> no aggressive...
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we don't know much about belcher's mental statement or if there was brain injury involved. should the nfl discourage players from owning firearms? >> this is such a sad day and sad story. and i applaud costas. i don't think enough voices can be raised against this gun ownership. but the problem you have is number one, they shouldn't have played the game. that shows you that the priorities are off from day one. they should not have played that game. once again, the money wins out. obviously, i think you have to discourage people from carrying guns. and particularly in the national football league, with everything that's going on about the clear connection now between mental health and brain damage and erratic behavior exacerbated and probably one of the most violent games on earth, romeo crennel that belcher was a leader and one of the first guys in drills. we didn't see this coming. and that's the problem. number one, they are not trained to see it coming. the gun lobby is just so overwhelming. i think that if athletes, for example, who if they are looking for a civil right
we don't know much about belcher's mental statement or if there was brain injury involved. should the nfl discourage players from owning firearms? >> this is such a sad day and sad story. and i applaud costas. i don't think enough voices can be raised against this gun ownership. but the problem you have is number one, they shouldn't have played the game. that shows you that the priorities are off from day one. they should not have played that game. once again, the money wins out....
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if javon belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> poignant words. what should this country do in response? joining me to debate what is certainly a matter of life and death to so many people is david copel, research director at the independence institute. on the other side is josh horowitz, executive director of the coalition to stop gun violence. welcome to you both. david, let me ask you, i suppose an obvious question, why did jovan belcher need a high powered hand gun? >> well, he didn't need any hand gun to kill, to murder his wife and leave the poor baby as an orphan. o.j. simpson showed that football players like lots of other domestic abusers, can kill people with their bare hands. >> right, but why does anybody in america need either a hand gun or high powered assault weapon? i don't understand. explain to me. >> i don't think the police have released what kind of hand gun he owned. do you know what kind he owned? why are you calling it a high powered hand gun? >> wl, i'm assuming most hand guns are high powered, right? >> so you call
if javon belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> poignant words. what should this country do in response? joining me to debate what is certainly a matter of life and death to so many people is david copel, research director at the independence institute. on the other side is josh horowitz, executive director of the coalition to stop gun violence. welcome to you both. david, let me ask you, i suppose an obvious question, why did jovan belcher...
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jovan belcher killed her. >> bob: i see. right. >> kimberly: greg? >> greg: if it was a deadly flood it would be the same saying we need to been a water. he is a hypocritical buffoon. he spends his life wondering in and out of the new york buildings flanked by people who are armed. he doesn't have to have a gun because he is protected by people with guns. he is a sanctimonious ghoul. when something comes up, he has to come up. pay attention to me. this is about scoring points with other people in media. same with whitlock, who is a chucklehead. this guy in the knickss when he was talking about jeremy lin played off a stereotypical deficiency i'm not even going to get in to. who refers to the nra as kkk. he is a bigot. apologize for that. >> bob: what is a ghoul? >> greg: somebody uses tragedy to build himself up. he is a hypocrite. because he doesn't worry about being armed. people are armed for him. we live in a building right now, we work atuilding right now, where everybody has a gun outside. we're lucky. the rest of the public doesn't. >> bob: er
jovan belcher killed her. >> bob: i see. right. >> kimberly: greg? >> greg: if it was a deadly flood it would be the same saying we need to been a water. he is a hypocritical buffoon. he spends his life wondering in and out of the new york buildings flanked by people who are armed. he doesn't have to have a gun because he is protected by people with guns. he is a sanctimonious ghoul. when something comes up, he has to come up. pay attention to me. this is about scoring points...
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their 3-month-old daughter and belcher's own mother. he then drove to work where he met with his head coach and general manager and thanked them for all they had done for him, then he went out in their parking lot, saw police approaching, and shot himself in the head. football being football and by that, of course, i mean football being big business, the game, and by that i mean the big business must go on and so, of course, the kansas city chiefs played their money making game the next day. the football business was hoping that tv football commentators would ignore the biggest thing that happened in football this weekend. but bob costas could not. >> in the aftermath of the nearly unfathomable events in kansas city, the mindless sports cliches was heard yet again. something like this really puts it all in perspective. well, if so, that sort of perspective has a very short shelf life since we will inevitably hear about the perspective that we regained the next time ugly reality intrudes upon our games. please, those who need tragedies t
their 3-month-old daughter and belcher's own mother. he then drove to work where he met with his head coach and general manager and thanked them for all they had done for him, then he went out in their parking lot, saw police approaching, and shot himself in the head. football being football and by that, of course, i mean football being big business, the game, and by that i mean the big business must go on and so, of course, the kansas city chiefs played their money making game the next day....
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police say chiefs quarterback jovan belcher killed his girlfriend -- then turned the gun on himself. with the hot hand. damian: bring back alex. >> if zimmermann is being charged with second-degree murder. his trial is the 9-1-1 calls have been released from this involving n-f-l player jovan the kansas city his girlfriend, the mother began saturday morning. >> "shooting, 5401 crysler .. female." "i believe our suspect is a chiefs player." "ok, i've got two coaches, one other employee here who's trying to beg with this guy." (noise) self-inflicted, oneit's clear what happened: jovan belcher shot his the mother of their three- times, then drove to thebut why remains unanswered. the league decided their critical of the team's performance on the field, through an off- the-fieldthe chiefs played their best game of the season and won. and for a three-month-old girl... the love of her parents lost forever. >> a photo are george zimmerman - never before seen by the public - has been released. zimmerman is the man charged with shooting and killing trayvon martin last february. the photo is in
police say chiefs quarterback jovan belcher killed his girlfriend -- then turned the gun on himself. with the hot hand. damian: bring back alex. >> if zimmermann is being charged with second-degree murder. his trial is the 9-1-1 calls have been released from this involving n-f-l player jovan the kansas city his girlfriend, the mother began saturday morning. >> "shooting, 5401 crysler .. female." "i believe our suspect is a chiefs player." "ok, i've got two...
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the murder suicide of jovan belcher has started the fire storm. >> in the coming days, belcher's actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows? but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkins would both be alive today. > >> greta: costas was quoting jason whitlock. immediately after he spoke, twitter blowing up with reaction. herman cain tweeting you tune in to a football game and listen to bob costas spewing sang t sancts drek. >> where are we headed? bob costas deserves to be fired for these remarks. >> he's allowed to have his opinion. yes, he's allowed to go there. >> we want to ban guns because the gun kills the person, not the person pulling the trigger. >> you want to get a political lecture by the rantings on the left, i suggest that bob costas could have worked for msnbc. >> jason whitlock's right. if there's no gun here, nobody's dead. i don't know what the issue is to take issue with. >> i don't get the sense he was calling for specific legislation or saying here's what we should do. >> how come
the murder suicide of jovan belcher has started the fire storm. >> in the coming days, belcher's actions and their possible connection to football will be analyzed. who knows? but here, wrote jason whitlock, is what i believe. if belcher didn't possess a gun, he and perkins would both be alive today. > >> greta: costas was quoting jason whitlock. immediately after he spoke, twitter blowing up with reaction. herman cain tweeting you tune in to a football game and listen to bob...
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. >> reporter: relatives of kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher speaking out today trying to make sense of this tragedy. >> we are overwhelmed with both sadness and confusion. >> reporter: belcher shot and killed his girlfriend, kasandra perkins, saturday. tonight her family releasing this statement saying "please keep us in your hearts and prayers, as well as the belcher family, for two lives were lost." and here inside the chiefs' practice facility, you can see his locker is still filled with all of his gear. the team says they don't know when or if his locker will be cleared out this season. the incident reignited the gun control debate. sportscaster bob costas taking a stand on sunday night football. >> if jovan belcher didn't possess a gun, he and kasandra perkins would both be alive today. >> reporter: today chiefs head coach, romeo crennel, who witnessed belcher's suicide, added his voice. >> all i know is a player with a gun and i know it's not a good thing. >> reporter: but what drove belcher to kill? was it a head injury, so common in football, or was this another t
. >> reporter: relatives of kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher speaking out today trying to make sense of this tragedy. >> we are overwhelmed with both sadness and confusion. >> reporter: belcher shot and killed his girlfriend, kasandra perkins, saturday. tonight her family releasing this statement saying "please keep us in your hearts and prayers, as well as the belcher family, for two lives were lost." and here inside the chiefs' practice facility, you can...
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quarterback jovan belcher killed his girlfriend -- then turned the gun on himself. that's ahead at 5-30. remember that quarterback controversy - it's not fan base may be more split the niners loss a deadly home invasion in a wealthy silicon valley suburb. this is video from sky- 7 h-d, abc news. tonight -- police say, the killers are on the loose --- kron4's there live. republicans back and fourth j. r. stone joins us. >> this this is for the 66 year-old was found murdered directly behind me. the gates, it is is a bit dark and family members are here. they have chosen not to talk. dealing with a very difficult time let me show you the video. they have been combing through evidence where they believe that this was all happening on friday morning, 1:00 a.m. this is video from sky 7 up a definition video. showing the crime scene. this fact, was one time it big in the cell phone industry the victim. and even owned a mountain winery. in the 1990's he was a businessman. perhaps there was a personal grudge associated they're still trying to figure out if he was targeted. >
quarterback jovan belcher killed his girlfriend -- then turned the gun on himself. that's ahead at 5-30. remember that quarterback controversy - it's not fan base may be more split the niners loss a deadly home invasion in a wealthy silicon valley suburb. this is video from sky- 7 h-d, abc news. tonight -- police say, the killers are on the loose --- kron4's there live. republicans back and fourth j. r. stone joins us. >> this this is for the 66 year-old was found murdered directly behind...
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first up tragedy in the nfl after kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher murdered his girlfriend before shooting and killing himself. as a result, the gun control debate back in the spotlight but with more gun regulation actually have made any difference at all? here now is deputy editor of think progress.org and nationally syndicated radio talk show host. lars i'm a second amendment guy. to me guns don't kill people crazy people shooting guns kill people. would a gun regulation have stopped this tragedy? >> only one kind of gun regulation would have stopped this and that would be to gut the second amendment and i don't think igor can reject that. 20,000 laws around the country regulate guns at the state, federal and local level. those laws sometimes are forced a and sometimes not. this young man there was no reason legally to deny him the ownership of a firearm. so the suggestion by bob costas who ought to be fired for the comments, his outrageous suggestion that the civil rights of americans all 300 million of us should be taken away and we should be denied the right to own a g
first up tragedy in the nfl after kansas city chiefs linebacker jovan belcher murdered his girlfriend before shooting and killing himself. as a result, the gun control debate back in the spotlight but with more gun regulation actually have made any difference at all? here now is deputy editor of think progress.org and nationally syndicated radio talk show host. lars i'm a second amendment guy. to me guns don't kill people crazy people shooting guns kill people. would a gun regulation have...